Age Verification will fail because of Peer to Peer porn.

Why Age Verification is doomed to failure.

We all want to protect under 18s from adult material but the ideals of age verification are doomed to failure for a number of reasons.

This legislation is aimed at protecting the most technologically aware group of people out there in society -  those mostly under 18 who have greater access to computers and who are being taught how to code -  if they know how to code, they can build their own apps and bypass the mainstream checks or use virtual private networks to do so. 

Even if Google closes references to 'adult material' sites, the under 18s will just get their adult material from elsewhere. Has no one thought of this?

This 'underground' situation will likely take place through apps, via Peer to Peer transmission, or by physical transfer through sharing on SD Data cards. 

The result is it won't stop the problem of under 18's getting hold of, distributing or holding adult material, it merely drives it underground and drives them potentially into harms way, the very opposite of what was intended by this bill.

Those under 18 often have little or no appreciation of what they are doing is wrong or unlawful, to them it is just something that they just 'do', without fully appreciating the consequences or implications of the material.

We are now seeing the under 18s using and distributing adult material on an industrial scale due to the rise in smart phone, tablet and lap top use, devices which are almost 'necessity must haves' for people nowadays.

Much as in the old days of sharing porno mags between your mates at school, now it is peer to peer sharing literally of data and material between devices. Like the old days, pretty much unstoppable.

The Age Verification system will be a dangerous thing for law abiding adults who may want to enjoy pornography for their own pleasure, their personal data and lawful adult interests could well be open to data collection and potentially useable as 'history' in legal cases unless this data is secure and not for third party disclosure.

We have seen many disgruntled employee data thefts and sensitive information about an adult's personal and private interests, especially if you are a celebrity for example, could provide organised criminals with means of coercion for financial gain. Or as we used to call it, blackmail. 

We may yet see our first suicide due to coercion from held adult material related data that has been stolen or sold on from any implied threats to expose or publish the information, blackmail and demands for money that the victim cannot meet or refuses too. 

Clearly this legislation situation needs a rethink. This legislation was formulated for the right reasons to protect under 18's, but is bad in that it could open up people's data history to unscrupulous exposure, an eventuality which cannot be ruled out by the data holder. 

Any savvy kid is going to get hold of a legitimate verification code and it will be passed on and on. So, the scheme fails there.

It does not stop the peer to peer transmission that is the norm now, so we read in the media.

Age verification may potentially expand to any UK website and that could be bad news if you say want to go onto Amazon's UK site to buy some H B pencils, but have to prove your age because that site carries age restricted products available to 18+ only. 

The age verification legislation appears to be badly thought out and unworkable, it will cause more problems than it likely solves.

UK Age verification - Ok, so how does this work with EBay, Amazon and Cinemas?

New UK Age Verification Laws - are they workable?

In April 2018, new Age Verification laws for 'Adult content' websites come into force, but is it just a hurried and unworkable mess or even worthwhile?

Is it ironic somewhat that the proposed 'provider' who will process age verification, is actually one of the world's largest conduits of pornography?

Does this come under the 'you couldn't make it up' style of journalism?

I wonder how this will work in other areas of E-commerce and the internet.

This got me thinking, if you need to be 18 to visit adult content sites, then how does this work when you go to a cinema?

In theory, you'd have to show accepted accreditation meeting a national standard, to prove your age if it was obvious a film's rating demanded it.

(In theory, if an 18 film was showing, you'd have to show a form of accreditation just to get in, even if you were going to see a U film?)

This will put you on a 'data map' just as much as if you buy age verification and go on to an 'adult content' website.

This could be dangerous ground.

In the normal run of things, your computer IP address is pretty anonymous, but now with verification, is it not beyond possibility that this goldmine of potentially highly sensitive information could easily be stolen and used for criminal purposes?

As a 'celeb' for example, or someone with a high profile job role, should someone steal your verification and your transaction data and match it to your profile and any sites by name you visited, this could be very embarrassing for you. 

Data crime is big business, a disgruntled employee able to steal quality, qualified data has a valuable commodity on their hands. 

Anyone then able to exploit this data could hand the criminals an open cheque book, which could lead to compromised people becoming victims of crime and possibly taking their own lives, rather than pay up or have the shame of exposure. Exposure could cost them everything. Literally.

If every site you visit and use your data verification is logged, then this database of information is to the criminal, a potential pot of gold, if they can get hold of this data.

Another question is, if legitimate on-line platforms such as EBay and Amazon sell '18 age' products, will any users of these sites require age verification just to go on there? Even if the visitors are not buying or interested in '18' age products?

This could include sex aids, both of which platforms had these items being listed for sale. 

The question is, ultimately, are we all going to be made to have age verification just to get onto any websites? This seems a bit too 'Big Brother' for me.

The question is, if you are below 18 and want to buy a book for your educational studies from say Amazon, a book which is not containing 'adult content', would you then need an Age Verification registration just go on the site, because the site may contain over 18 material or products? 

Another question is that of competition.

Is it fair business practice to have just one provider of age verification?  That is a monopoly surely?

The most important thing concerning this exercise, is the safety of the data and what the data is being collected for.

Is there any justification in this collection and could this be used against a person?

If someone was unfortunate enough to have to appear in court for an offence, would Age Verification data of their account transactions be used or obtained for use in evidence, perhaps to discredit the person or try and demonstrate guilt?

This again does raise serious questions about this whole process and personal privacy. 

Of course we want to protect those under 18 from certain material but if adult material is available on DVD on legitimate internet platforms that anyone with a debit card or Paypal can purchase, then Age Verification is worthless. 

The material will just  go 'underground' or get hidden away and people will eventually find ways of getting to it.

Indeed the tech-savvy younger people are just the people who are likely to be able to do this, exactly the target group that the legislation is being supposedly designed to protect.

Let us look outside of this argument for a moment and consider Alcohol, Driving,Firearms and Narcotics. Alcohol does have an 18 age limit, we all know this rule is broken on a daily basis.

With most firearms banned and some narcotics being 'controlled' by law and prohibited from ordinary possession, criminals can easily get hold of a gun and drugs are widely available almost openly being sold on the streets and used by younger people even those at school. Underage drivers steal or obtain and drive cars. Regulation does not prevent this at all.

The measures above to protect people are failures, because the prohibited items are able to be obtained by those without the legal rights to do so.

Age verification is one step behind, it will be expensive to do and will largely fail, based on the previous models of prohibition. It also impinges on the human rights of privacy and security for the individual's data which is of far greater concern.

Update:

The proposed introduction of age verification in April 2018 has been quietly put back to the end of 2018, hopefully this puritan notion will be left in the long grass and be quietly forgotten. Perhaps the powers that be have seen that this form of prohibition is unworkable?

When Britain leaves the EU after Brexit in March 2019, we will no longer have to observe EU laws. 

Adult site age verification proposals - will they do more damage than they seek to prevent?

We live in a connected age - where Data is king

How will the proposed Age Verification of Adult content sites be workable?

Is it just a means of prurient intrusion and meddling,

when more pressing issues relating to private citizen's safety exist?

The proposal to introduce age verification is unlikely to be workable and should be rethought.

How will this sit with the British adult entertainment industry for example?

Is verification just the prudish whimsy of puritans with too much time on their hands?

The world has changed markedly since Lady Chatterley's lover was made legal to buy back in the 1960's. So should the age when people can observe certain content be lowered to reflect how society has moved on?

If we propose to give the right to vote at 16, should we then lower the age one can see 'adult content' too?

Political views you can vote for then, at a lowered age of 16 could have very far reaching effects, perhaps 'beyond the ken' of the young voter. If you are effectively going to bestow this level of maturity on young adults, what else are you going to change?

The proposal to introduce effectively censorship of 'adult content' sites by instituting an age verification system, will not prevent those from under 18 from seeing 'adult content.'

Back in the 1980's, WH Smiths still used to have the 'Top shelf' magazines of what we would consider today to be 'tame' publications, which were judged to be pornographic then, and only for sale to those over 18. Nowadays you can see far more explicit material on television than was in those publications.

In our day back in the 80's, the savvy U18's would just wait for the mags to be put in the bins behind the shop and pick their own out and then lend them around their mates. This shows how the 'system' did not work. None of us turned into sex maniacs as a result of our curiosity or what we saw.

Conversely, if you worked in a news agents doing a paper round you could often sneak one of these mags into your bag and view it later. Another example of how getting round the 'system' was done.

Indeed, some of these 'Top shelf' magazines beyond the 'attractive' visual content, contained interesting articles not concerned with sex, which discussed subjects about humans, humanity and our future, business, the environment for example, often written by top journalists of the day.

Fast forward about 30 or more years and the current U18 Millennials generation are far more technically savvy typically than those over 18.

They will simply, if they want to see this content, get around the verification which only applies to UK sites. They can get around parental controls, just as a 'for instance'.

What about social media sites? Adult material can be posted there. With so many posts a day on these sites, the industry cannot really monitor it.

How does this verification sit with sites like Amazon or Ebay? Could you get a debit card at well under 18 and buy things on that site without any verification checks?

Certainly you can buy 'mainstream' 18 videos and 'adult toys' on mainstream e-commerce platforms and certainly those videos made in Europe leave nothing to the imagination. You only have to check out the titles and click on the descriptions to see what they purvey.

Some European countries have videos rated at U18 which in other countries would be R18, so how does this work when a video can then be legally purchased in this situation because the verification for one country is more relaxed than another and the video is not reclassified for sale in the UK and is supplied from Europe, not the UK? The system falls down.

So, are these big retail sites going to be subject to this sort of verification, regardless of what you purchase on them, just to get on to them to do your on-line shopping? Would you then have to get age verification just to go on Amazon and buy a packet of pencils?

What would happen is that the parents would allow the use of their accounts to get around the bureacuracy, which potentially could lead to circumvention of the process and if they did not check what was purchased, the system then ultimately fails.

And below is another example of where verification falls down.

A male and female aged 16 can legally have sex, but they can't legally buy a video depicting sex if that video is rated '18'. That video for example, may not contain anything as explicit as what they do with each other, perhaps.

At this age, they can't legally drive either. Or buy alcoholic beverages. But they can have sex and / or get married, with parental consent.

'Verification' has potential dangers attached.

We have seen numerous examples of companies whose websites have been either hacked or had data stolen and sold on by employees to criminals and moreover, often sold on many times after.

The consequences of data theft these days, is certainly a very serious matter.

Data is valuable.

Data about people's viewing habits, interests and sites visited is gold.

Verification by its very nature will record everything.

This could have very damaging consequences.

If data is stolen, especially if you are a celebrity, a well-known public figure or have a prestigious and important job, you could be wide open to extortion, this may lead some to suicide, rather than be exposed and their shame coming to light in the media.

The obvious place this is leading to, is that the person with the 'right' data can use it illegally to maliciously and ruinously destroy people and also sell it on many times, causing likely more damage than if the situation was left alone and verification was not sought and this data not gathered.

So, what is in it for the authorities?

Money perhaps?

Verification will most likely not be free.

Now, we were assured in recent years that private data would not be interfered with, except when national security was involved and rightly so.

So what is to prevent 'verification data' about what sites you visit not being scrutinised later and kept and possibly used against you as inference of the person knowing what things interest you?

How can we trust the verification sites not to start data mining this 'gold' that they will be in possession of?

Most top E-commerce sites use behavioural algorithms to 'suggest' content you may be interested in.

So what happens on a shared computer, where a 'verified' adult uses it to visit adult sites and suggestions later pop up to visit similar adult content sites when the computer is being used by someone else, someone who may not be 18 or could be an older relative, or someone prudish, or a religious person whose beliefs do not accept the adult material being offered as 'acceptable' - you can see how this could happen?

To be honest, individuals as I see it will have no control over the 'guardians' of data or the data that they generate.

Individuals, like the 'bin divers of yore', will simply find ways to legally circumvent the process.

In conclusion, I am not advocating abandoning or lowering the age when people can see adult material, but, it is patently obvious that 'verification' is not the way forward and could create more problems than it would solve.